Turning a rambling stream of consciousness into a clean task list while someone is still talking has been a longtime product dream of mine. With Ramble, Todoist brought that dream to life by using live audio AI to capture tasks in real time—no transcription step required. The result is a voice-to-task flow that feels natural, fast, and surprisingly disciplined.
As I listened to the Doist team—Ernesto Garcia (Front-end Product Engineer), Thomas Jost (Backend Software Engineer), and Hugo Fauquenoi (Product Manager)—walk through their approach, I heard a blueprint for building pragmatic GenAI features. What began as a two-to-three month AI exploration became one of their most technically deliberate releases: a “Gemini-powered pipeline that makes tool calls while the user is still speaking, surfacing tasks on screen in real time without any text output from the model.”
The breakthrough started with user research. People weren’t merely dictating tasks; they were doing a “brain dump” first—often into pen and paper or even ChatGPT voice—and only then committing items to Todoist. Meeting users where they already are reframed the problem: don’t force structure upfront; capture fluid thought and translate it into actionable tasks instantly.
That insight led to a bold architectural choice: skip transcription entirely and process raw audio directly with a Gemini live audio model. By removing the brittle middleman of text, the team reduced latency and kept the model focused on one job—turning intent into structured actions. It’s a crisp example of AI workflows designed for reliability over novelty.
The real magic is in the real-time “tool calls.” As the user speaks, the model triggers add task, edit task, and delete task operations immediately. For high-friction contexts like driving, they paired visual task cards with subtle sound effects as confirmation cues. It’s thoughtful conversation design that respects attention and safety without sacrificing speed.
Teaching the model to capture tasks literally—without over-interpreting or trying to complete the work—required careful prompt engineering for voice and temperature tuning. Drawing a bright line between “capture versus do” kept the experience trustworthy. In my own AI Strategy work, I’ve found that establishing explicit agentic guardrails early prevents unintended autonomy later.
Dates were the sleeper challenge. The team had to inject the current date, normalize to days vs. months, and always output dates in English for the natural language parser—while preserving the user’s original language for everything else. If you’ve ever shipped date handling across locales, you’ll appreciate how many edge cases hide in “Taming Dates and Time.”
Quality didn’t hinge on intuition alone. They built an LLM-judge eval system using real employee recordings from 100+ people across 35 countries in 20+ languages to catch prompt regressions. That’s eval-driven development done right: representative data, repeatable scoring, and tight feedback loops as models and prompts evolve.
For project and label matching, they chose direct context injection over RAG. Instead of building a retrieval pipeline, they injected the full project/label list into the system prompt. With smart context window management and a sharply constrained task schema, this was both simpler and more accurate. Sometimes the fastest path to product-market fit is removing moving parts, not adding them.
One product principle stood out: easy correction beats perfect first-time accuracy. Natural language interfaces earn trust when users can fix misfires in a tap or two. That bias toward quick recovery over false precision is how you ship AI that feels useful from day one.
Looking ahead, the roadmap is compelling: multimodal task capture from images and text blobs, Apple Watch support, and automation integrations. As voice AI agent patterns mature, this “tool-only architecture” sets a solid foundation for going from capture to coordinated execution—without losing the simplicity that makes Ramble shine.
If you want to hear the full conversation, you can listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. It’s a masterclass in building focused GenAI features that trade cleverness for clarity—and still delight.
Resources & Links: Todoist • Doist • Google Vertex AI (Gemini)
MCP is the acronym I keep hearing in every product conversation—and for good reason. When teams like Miro and Atlassian lean in, it signals a real shift in how we design, ship, and scale value. From my vantage point leading product at HighLevel, I see MCP less as a feature and more as an operating advantage: a way to align strategy, execution, and governance so product teams move faster with higher confidence.
When I evaluate a platform like MCP, I start with three questions. First, does it advance our product strategy and sharpen competitive differentiation? Second, does it strengthen product-led growth by improving activation, onboarding, and retention? Third, does it help us drive outcomes vs output OKRs so we consistently measure what matters, not just what ships?
Execution discipline makes or breaks any MCP investment. I design measurement upfront: instrument A/B testing, define activation milestones, and monitor retention cohorts. In parallel, I use Pendo for in-app guides and product tours to accelerate adoption and reduce time-to-value, then connect this data back to roadmap decisions so each release compounds learning instead of creating noise.
On the operating model, I apply a rigorous build vs buy lens and stress-test platform scalability, reliability, and integration surfaces. Stakeholder management is critical—security, SRE, and solutions engineering must be partners from day one. I anchor teams in product trios and continuous discovery so we learn with customers in the loop, not after the fact.
At Pendomonium 2026, Pendo CPO Rahul Jain brought together four product leaders who are building with MCP. Read or watch their conversation to learn more.
My practical playbook for MCP: choose one high-signal use case, define clear success metrics, and run a tightly scoped pilot with visible executive sponsorship. Treat governance and data hygiene as first-class requirements. Close the loop weekly with qualitative insights from customer interviews and quantitative telemetry from experiments. Only then scale to adjacent workflows, keeping a steady focus on measurable customer value and repeatable delivery.
Whether you’re an emerging startup or an established enterprise, the opportunity is the same: turn MCP curiosity into durable capability. With disciplined measurement, thoughtful stakeholder alignment, and a relentless outcomes mindset, MCP can become a lever for product management leadership—not just another acronym in the stack.
Lately, I keep hearing a familiar question: with AI making it so easy to generate ideas and build products, do we still need product managers? My answer is unequivocal—yes. Tools accelerate delivery, but they don’t build trust, reconcile competing incentives, or create the shared understanding teams need to ship outcomes. Product work is relationship work.
I recently listened to “Product Work Is Relationship Work – All Things Product with Teresa & Petra,” and it echoed what I see every day in high-performing product organizations. If you prefer to watch, here’s the episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/embed/d-0f8uAfc8w?feature=oembed
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While AI can help build things faster, it can’t replace the relationship work required to align stakeholders, navigate competing priorities, and create shared understanding across teams. That’s the hard, human part of product management—and it’s not going away.
In my experience, product teams stall when collaboration becomes transactional. We jump to negotiation (“What can you commit by Friday?”) before establishing context (“What problem are we solving and why now?”). When I slow down to get curious—about constraints, incentives, and assumptions—momentum actually increases because we’re rowing in the same direction.
Stakeholder alignment often breaks down when we conflate advocacy with exploration. We argue our viewpoint as if it were the only lens that matters, rather than making space to surface how others see the system. I’ve found the distinction between “dialogue vs. discussion,” rooted in work by Chris Argyris and elaborated in The Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge, to be a powerful reset. Dialogue builds shared understanding; discussion decides. You need both, in the right order.
Language matters in the room. The improv principle “Yes, and” is deceptively simple but transformative. When a designer, engineer, or executive feels heard (“Yes”) and we build on their idea (“and”), we create psychological safety without sacrificing critical thinking. I use “Yes, and” to explore perspectives before we converge on decisions—especially with product trios and senior stakeholders.
Here are the moves I rely on to keep collaboration relational and outcomes-focused. First, we align on outcomes before solutions. I explicitly separate outcomes vs output OKRs so we’re clear on what success looks like, independent of the features we ship. That clarity reduces rework and speeds up decision-making later.
Second, we operationalize curiosity with continuous discovery. I schedule recurring, lightweight touchpoints with customers and internal stakeholders so insights compound. When learning is continuous, debates quiet down—evidence does the heavy lifting.
Third, we invest in relationship rituals. Regular 1:1s with key partners, stakeholder maps that capture motivations, and pre-reads that frame trade-offs all prevent misalignment from surfacing in the last mile. These small habits pay huge dividends in trust and speed.
Fourth, I’m explicit about mode-switching in meetings: are we advocating a position or exploring perspectives? Calling the mode out loud prevents people from mistaking questions for opposition and keeps the conversation productive.
Fifth, we use “Yes, and” to move from possibility to practicality. We explore generously, then converge rigorously—ranking options by impact, effort, and risk so decisions are transparent and fair.
If stakeholder alignment, team dynamics, or product “politics” slow your team down, this conversation offers a practical reframe. You’ll move faster when you build the relational tissue first—because alignment is an accelerant, not a tax.
Resources & Links:
Follow Teresa Torres: https://ProductTalk.org
Follow Petra Wille: https://Petra-Wille.com
Mentioned in this episode:
Petra’s Coaching Packages
Work by Chris Argyris on organizational learning and dialogue vs. discussion
The Fifth Discipline: The Art and Practice of the Learning Organization by Peter Senge
Improv principle “Yes, and”: Saying “Yes, and” — A principle for improv, business & life and Yes, and …
Have thoughts on this episode or examples from your team? Leave a comment below—I’d love to learn what’s working (and what’s not) in your stakeholder landscape.
The best signal often comes from the least scalable work.
I’ve learned this the hard way—and the rewarding way. When I’m closest to customers, rolling up my sleeves with the team, I uncover nuanced, high-signal insights that no dashboard or aggregate report can reveal. Those insights, when treated with rigor and discipline, become the backbone of a durable product strategy and true product management leadership.
At Intercom, that is at the heart of how we operate on “swarms.” Swarms are cross-functional teams of Fin experts focused on ensuring customers succeed when trialing Fin. Each team consists of engineers, data scientists, and a product manager, all focused on optimizing Fin for our customers.
Working in these teams gives us deep insights into the needs of individual customers, but they can also form the foundation of new Fin features. Let me explain.
I frame the journey from insight to impact in three levels: “Level 1: Swarms – where the signal comes from,” “Level 2: Cockpit – where the signal starts to scale,” and “Level 3: Product – where the signal reaches maximum leverage.” This model blends continuous discovery with pragmatic solutions engineering and creates a clear path from hands-on learning to product-led growth.
Level 1: Swarms – where the signal comes from. The goal is simple: help Fin resolve more conversations and help customers understand and use the product. Swarms partner with customers to define their goals and how Fin fits into their workflows. We map out an automation roadmap by analyzing their conversations, determining the APIs and Procedures they need, and the level of automation they can achieve. We then support them in implementing it and reaching that outcome. This involves ongoing analysis to identify optimizations to their configuration and the next best actions for increasing automation levels, such as improving knowledge base content or deploying new APIs.
During a swarm, the feedback loop is fast. We test something, ship something, and quickly see whether the metric moves. That speed and depth is what makes swarms so valuable. It’s also what makes them hard to scale. I’ve felt the thrill of watching a key metric bend within hours—and the constraint of knowing that kind of attention doesn’t scale to every account.
For example, we developed an automation taxonomy to predict the level of automation a customer can achieve. Initially, this analysis was manual and took more than half a day to run, with time required to prep and visualize the data. But the effort was worthwhile. For one customer, we predicted an automation rate of 70% and they achieved exactly that.
By working closely with customers, we learn what drives success, but this work is inherently hands-on and doesn’t scale on its own. So the real challenge is figuring out how to turn what we learn in those high-touch engagements into systems, tools, and product changes that benefit far more customers. That’s the inflection point where AI workflows and product strategy meet.
Level 2: Cockpit – where the signal starts to scale. Not every customer should need swarm-level attention. The way we bridge that gap is by making the swarm analyses repeatable and shareable. Once we can run the same analysis across customers, we can start turning bespoke swarm learnings into reusable signals. This is where Cockpit comes in.
Transform customer signals into action: this dashboard tracks support conversation volume, taxonomy percentages by type, and topic demand across account settings, billing, integration, and more to guide scalable feature bets.
We take patterns learned in swarms and encode them into internal tooling inside our insights web app, Cockpit. Instead of analysis being a bespoke project, it becomes a workflow. For example, we scaled the automation taxonomy and this has enabled us to quickly understand automation potential for all customers.
Now, a customer success manager (CSM) can pick a customer, see their automation potential and current performance, understand the biggest issues, and propose next actions. This is how we scale the impact of swarm learnings through CSMs and Sales. It allows far more customers to benefit from the same patterns we see in high-touch work, without requiring direct data science involvement every time.
Cockpit also functions as a valuable proving ground. It gives us a way to test ideas across a much broader set of customers and see what generalizes before we consider taking anything further. In other words, we transform sharp, local signal into broadly useful guidance—an essential step in any AI Strategy that aims to balance precision with scale.
Level 3: Product – where the signal reaches maximum leverage. The real payoff comes when the patterns we have validated internally become part of the product itself. Instead of helping one customer directly, or helping many customers through internal teams, we deliver a feature directly to customers so they can improve Fin’s performance on their own. Today, the automation taxonomy is a part of Insights and accessible to customers who have this feature.
Another example is CX Score. It started with close work alongside Intercom’s Customer Support team to understand performance with Fin, initially through predicted CSAT and resolution. Over time, this work evolved into CX Score: a scalable way to measure conversation quality across all customers.
The product stage is fundamentally different from Cockpit because of the constraints. Cockpit provides a platform for our customer analyses/tools but it doesn’t need to scale as far as product. What moves into product has to work for every customer, without configuration, at scale, so it has to generalize. That bar is what protects long-term quality while unlocking product-led growth.
That’s why the move from Cockpit to product isn’t automatic. We’re not just asking whether something is useful, but whether it’s broadly useful, robust, and scalable enough to run across the entire customer base. As a product leader, I push for this discipline because it’s where customer success, engineering excellence, and business outcomes converge.
The loop. The model is simple. Swarms generate the best signal, grounded in real customer problems. Cockpit operationalizes that signal so CSMs and Sales can use it across many customers. Product takes the patterns that truly generalize and turn them into scalable features that enhance every customer’s experience.
This loop allows a small swarm data science function to have impact beyond a small set of high-touch accounts, resulting in a stream of continuous improvements across all three levels and an ever-increasing level of automation for our customers. Practically, it’s a repeatable playbook for product management leadership: start with high-signal discovery, prove repeatability, and only then scale through product. Done well, it compounds learning, accelerates time-to-value, and aligns the entire organization around measurable outcomes.
Internal Products Are Hard; Commercial Products Are Harder. That line captures years of hard-won lessons from leading both internal platforms and market-facing SaaS at HighLevel. I’ve seen how the two demand different muscles—even when the tech stack, talent, and timelines look the same on paper.
When I talk about internal products, I mean services and solutions that our own employees use to take care of customers—customer-enabling tools and services, agent consoles, fulfillment and billing workflows, operations dashboards, and the underlying platforms that keep them fast, compliant, and resilient. These tools don’t generate revenue directly, but they quietly determine customer experience, gross margin, and how quickly we can ship, resolve issues, and scale.
Commercial products, by contrast, add a second challenge layer. Beyond discovery, usability, and reliability, we must conquer positioning, pricing and packaging, competitive differentiation, sales enablement, procurement hurdles, and ongoing customer success motion. The surface area for failure is bigger, and the time-to-signal on product-market fit is slower and noisier.
Here’s how I decide where to invest. First, I anchor on outcomes, not output. If the business priority is net revenue retention, faster onboarding, or reduced cost-to-serve, internal products often provide the highest-leverage path. If the priority is new revenue, new market entry, or a must-have differentiator, we lean commercial. I make the trade explicit in outcomes vs output OKRs so we can defend the decision when pressure mounts.
Second, I run a clear build vs buy calculus. For internal needs, the default is buy if a mature, configurable solution exists that meets our security, data governance, and integration requirements. I only build when the workflow is core to our differentiation, the TCO of customization is lower than vendor sprawl, or we can capture unique proprietary advantage. For commercial products, I avoid embedding third-party IP in a way that caps differentiation or compresses margins as we scale.
Third, I insist on continuous discovery. Internal audiences are not a captive market—they’re discerning experts with real jobs to do. I treat them like customers, with structured customer interviews, journey mapping, and opportunity solution trees. I rely on empowered product teams and product trios to validate problems and reduce solution risk before we commit engineering time.
Fourth, I frame commercial vs internal work with capacity guardrails. In most planning cycles, I reserve explicit allocation for platform scalability and internal tooling, separate from feature bets. Without this, internal products become backlog filler, which guarantees we’ll pay the interest later in churn, SLA breaches, and slower delivery.
Execution differs too. For internal products, change management is the make-or-break. I plan enablement as a first-class deliverable: clear rollouts, in-app guides, training, and feedback loops with frontline champions. I track adoption, time-to-resolution, error rate, and satisfaction for internal users with the same rigor we apply to external users.
For commercial products, I design the discovery-to-GTM handshake early. Pricing and packaging must reflect value drivers discovered in research, not what’s easiest to meter. Sales and solutions engineering need crisp narratives, objection handling, and proof points. Customer success needs activation plans and health signals tied directly to leading indicators of retention.
Across both, I instrument the product and process. I lean on feature flags and progressive delivery to manage risk, and I protect SLOs with error budgets so teams balance reliability with iteration speed. CI/CD isn’t a badge—it’s how we earn the right to ship continuously without eroding trust.
Common pitfalls recur. Teams skip UX for employee tools because “they have to use it”—which backfires as shadow workflows and rework. Leaders underfund internal platforms, then wonder why velocity stalls. On the commercial side, teams over-index on features and under-invest in positioning and onboarding, leading to poor activation and elongated sales cycles.
What’s the payoff? When we treat internal products as products, we unlock scale: shorter handling times, fewer escalations, clearer accountability, and higher customer satisfaction. When we approach commercial products with the same discovery rigor plus smart GTM, we compress time-to-value and amplify differentiation. The craft is knowing which lever to pull when—and having the discipline to measure what matters.
My rule of thumb is simple. If the goal is operational excellence that compounds across the entire customer journey, invest in internal products with the same intensity you reserve for revenue-generating features. If the goal is market expansion or category leadership, invest in commercial products with a tight discovery-to-GTM loop. In either case, clarity of outcomes, disciplined discovery, and empowered teams win the day.
Product roadmaps should not be promises etched in stone; they are portfolios of bets made under uncertainty. When I build a roadmap, I’m not predicting the future—I’m designing a system that helps the team learn faster than the market changes, allocate capital wisely, and create alignment across engineering, design, go-to-market, and leadership.
The best roadmaps I’ve seen and shipped anchor on outcomes rather than features. “Outcomes vs output OKRs” is more than a slogan; it’s how we translate strategy into measurable impact. I start by defining a small set of outcome metrics that matter—such as activation rate, time-to-first-value, or expansion revenue—and attach clear key results and guardrails to each theme. This reframes prioritization from “what can we build?” to “what must change in customer behavior?” and gives empowered product teams real autonomy.
I organize the roadmap into time horizons—Now, Next, Later—with explicit confidence levels. Near-term items have higher confidence and more specificity; mid- and long-term bets are thematic with wider time windows. This approach reduces false precision and builds trust because stakeholders can see both the intent and the uncertainty. When dates matter, I use windows and service level expectations rather than single deadlines, and I pair each initiative with a lightweight risk scoring so we can discuss uncertainty explicitly rather than implicitly.
Continuous discovery keeps the roadmap honest. I partner in tight “product trios” across product, design, and engineering to run rapid customer interviews, opportunity sizing, and assumption tests before we commit significant delivery capacity. The opportunity solution tree is my favorite artifact here; it visualizes the path from outcomes to opportunities to experiments and solutions, making trade-offs and sequencing transparent. By the time something moves into sprint planning, we’ve already reduced key uncertainties and clarified the narrowest viable slice we can ship.
Uncertainty demands options. I plan initiatives as options with stage gates and explicit kill criteria rather than as single monolithic projects. For every significant theme, I outline base, best, and worst-case scenarios with pre-decided triggers for when we escalate, pivot, or stop. This practice prevents sunk-cost fallacy and keeps the team focused on evidence. We treat scope as a knob, not a switch, and we bias toward small, sequential bets that compound learning.
Capacity is strategy. I routinely reserve a discovery buffer—typically 10–20%—and a contingency buffer for integration, security, and performance risks that always show up late. I ruthlessly control work-in-progress to limit thrash and protect the team’s ability to respond when new information arrives. When we must navigate dependencies, I use thin vertical slices and decouple via contracts or feature flags so discovery momentum doesn’t stall while platforms evolve underneath.
Prioritization under uncertainty benefits from explicit models. I combine value, effort, and confidence with risk scoring to surface where the unknowns are hiding. Driver trees help us connect top-level outcomes to leading indicators, so we can place bets where they have the highest causal leverage. I also lean on the Kano Model and qualitative signals to avoid over-investing in performance attributes while neglecting excitement features that unlock differentiation and word-of-mouth.
The most effective stakeholder management is narrative-first. For executives, I present a one-page outcomes roadmap that shows themes, expected shifts in key results, and the learning plan. For teams, I provide a more detailed plan that links discovery insights, assumptions-to-test, and decision points. I make room for a “what we’re not doing” section to reduce noise and prevent shadow backlogs from reappearing in every meeting. Most importantly, I socialize change before it happens, explaining the evidence and the trade-offs so adjustments feel like progress, not whiplash.
Measurement closes the loop. We instrument experiments and releases with leading indicators tied to the driver tree and review them on a predictable cadence. If movement stalls, we diagnose whether we have a targeting problem (wrong audience), a value problem (weak proposition), or a friction problem (broken journey). That discipline lets us iterate with purpose instead of chasing vanity metrics or isolated anecdotes.
Here’s a concrete example of roadmapping through uncertainty. Suppose our Q3 objective is to “Increase user activation” with key results to raise the Week-1 activation rate from 32% to 45% and cut time-to-first-value by 30%. In discovery, customer interviews reveal confusion in the first-run setup and a missing integration that advanced users expect. We map an opportunity solution tree and identify two high-leverage opportunities: simplifying the first 10 minutes and offering a guided setup for the integration. We then shape two minimal bets: an in-app guide to streamline the first three tasks and an integration wizard behind a feature flag. Each bet has an explicit decision rule and a two-sprint runway. We ship the guide first, confirm a statistically significant lift via A/B testing, then expand scope. The integration wizard underperforms initial expectations, so we pause, revisit the assumptions, and re-allocate buffer to the stronger path. The roadmap updates in real time, and everyone understands why.
When uncertainty spikes—new competitor, pricing shock, platform deprecation—I shift the roadmap cadence to rolling-wave planning. We shorten planning horizons, increase the frequency of readouts, and elevate discovery allocations temporarily. We also create thematic “containment zones” where we explore multiple options in parallel with small budgets until one path justifies scale. This allows us to stay responsive without abandoning strategy.
Good governance accelerates, it doesn’t slow. A lightweight product council that reviews outcomes, risks, and cross-functional dependencies prevents surprise escalations and ensures we keep shipping what matters. We avoid death-by-approval by agreeing in advance on decision rights and thresholds—for example, a product trio can pivot a bet within a theme up to a certain budget or timeline impact without additional approval, as long as it improves the outcome likelihood.
If you’re evolving your roadmap practice, start with three moves. First, reframe your plan in outcomes and publish a driver tree that connects those outcomes to the few leading indicators you believe move them. Second, stand up a continuous discovery cadence with a visible opportunity solution tree and an assumptions-to-test backlog. Third, implement time windows and confidence levels for all mid- and long-term items, and pair each major initiative with explicit kill criteria. You’ll feel the difference in a single quarter: clearer trade-offs, faster learning, and more predictable delivery—despite uncertainty.
In the end, a roadmap that thrives in uncertainty is an agreement about how we learn and decide together. It aligns the organization on outcomes, it funds options—not fantasies—and it gives empowered product teams room to maneuver. That’s how top product teams plan for uncertainty and still deliver with confidence.
Lately, it feels like every morning brings a new AI launch, a dazzling demo, or a must-try tool. I love the pace of innovation, but the constant stream can trigger counterproductive FOMO if I’m not intentional. As a product leader, I’ve learned to turn that anxiety into a disciplined learning system—one that keeps me curious without letting novelty hijack my focus.
That’s exactly why this conversation with Petra Wille and Teresa Torres resonated with me. They explore how to stay experimental in the AI era without chasing every shiny object. Their perspective aligns closely with my own operating cadence: start with real problems, go deep on a small set of tools, and create explicit boundaries between work, learning, and play.
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Here’s the mindset I apply. I don’t start with tools—I start with problems. When I encounter concrete friction in a workflow or see a credible opportunity to improve an outcome, that’s my trigger to explore a new capability. This mirrors the continuous discovery habit of prioritizing opportunities over solutions, and it’s how I avoid performing “innovation theater.”
To keep exploration healthy, I time-box my learning. I block recurring windows specifically for experiments, reading, and hands-on trials so they don’t overrun my core product work. During these blocks, I’ll set a clear question, run a tight test, and capture what I learned. No rabbit holes, no endless tinkering.
I also separate “interesting” from “actionable.” Plenty of inputs are worth awareness, but very few deserve immediate action. I bookmark the rest for later. This simple filter reduces cognitive load and keeps my backlog—from ideas to proofs of concept—well-governed.
Social media can amplify technology hype cycles, so I establish boundaries. I batch consumption, mute low-signal channels, and prioritize practitioner communities over performative threads. The goal isn’t to be first; it’s to be right for my customers, my team, and our strategy.
When choosing what to try next, I use a practical rubric. Does the tool target a real friction I’ve seen in discovery or delivery? Can it plug cleanly into our AI workflows without unsustainable glue work? Do we have a safe, compliant way to test it? Is there a plausible path from trial to compounding value? If the answer isn’t a confident yes to most of these, I wait.
Depth beats breadth. I’d rather take one promising tool into a real use case, instrument it, and measure outcomes than skim ten trending demos. That tighter loop produces sharper intuition, clearer product bets, and better partner decisions. A quick opportunity solution tree helps me connect user pain to outcomes before I let any solution onto the field.
In the episode, Petra Wille and Teresa Torres talk candidly about managing FOMO, deciding which tools to explore, and designing intentional learning systems. They discuss why starting with a problem is more valuable than starting with a tool, how social media amplifies technology FOMO, and why going deeper with fewer tools can lead to better learning. If you’ve ever felt like you’re falling behind because you haven’t tried the latest AI tool yet, this conversation will help you rethink how you approach learning and experimentation.
If you’re curious about what came up, here are some of the tools and communities mentioned: Claude Code, OpenClaw (formerly Clawdbot, Moltbot), NotebookLM, Product Talk, ElevenLabs, Lenny’s Newsletter Community, and even a nod to Bridgerton for a touch of levity.
My takeaway is simple but powerful: curiosity doesn’t require constant experimentation. The best product managers cultivate a balanced system—grounded in product discovery, energized by focused experiments, and protected by clear boundaries—so we can learn faster while staying pointed at outcomes that matter.
Discussion Question: How do you decide which new tools or technologies are worth exploring—and which ones you can safely ignore?
“Continuous Discovery Habits” turns five this year, and I’m celebrating by reading it with our community—together, in practice, not just in theory. Each month, I’m publishing an in-depth reading guide with the chapters we’ll cover, a preview of the most important concepts, short videos you can share with your teams, individual and team discussion questions, practical exercises to apply what you read, and additional resources to go deeper.
We’ll keep the conversation active in the comments each month and meet live once a quarter to compare notes, share what’s working, and troubleshoot what’s not. If you’re joining late, no problem—start with the current month or go back to January. You can also find all of the book club articles here.
If you want to participate, grab a copy of the book (or dust off your old one), share the “Spread the Love” videos with colleagues, block time for the team exercises, and register for the community sessions. Let’s dive in together.
This chapter grounds us in why interviewing on a regular cadence is critical to the success of any product trio; how cognitive biases affect what we learn from direct questions; the difference between research questions and interview questions; how to use story-based interviewing to uncover actual customer behavior (not ideal behavior); the interview snapshot, a one-page tool for synthesizing what you learned from a single interview; how to automate the recruiting process so interviewing becomes easier than not interviewing; and why product trios should interview customers together.
Need a copy? Grab the book.
Share the Love with Friends and Colleagues
We learn best in community. To help your team rally around these practices, share these concise primers and invite them to join the book club discussion with you.
What are customer interviews? – Build a competitive advantage that compounds over time.
What should we ask in customer interviews? – Mitigating cognitive biases.
Research questions vs. interview questions – And why the difference matters.
Getting reliable feedback from customer interviews – Ask the right questions.
Who should conduct customer interviews? – My answer might surprise you.
How do you find customers to interview? – Automate the recruiting process.
The Interview Snapshot – How to synthesize a single customer interview.
Reflect and Discuss What You Read
Reflection cements learning. This month, I’m challenging you—as I challenge my own teams—to build a weekly habit of interviewing customers and to shift from direct questions (which trigger bias) to collecting specific stories about past behavior. For many teams, this is a big mindset change: from infrequent “big research projects” to lightweight, continuous conversations that fuel daily decision-making.
Individual Reflection: Think about your last customer interview or conversation. Did you rely on direct questions, or did you excavate a specific story about what happened? How might the answers have changed if you had used the other approach?
Consider your own behavior—buying jeans, going to the gym, choosing what to watch on Netflix. Where do your ideal intentions differ from what you actually do? How might that same gap show up in your customers’ answers to direct questions?
Scan your calendar from the past month. How many customer interviews did you conduct? If it’s fewer than four, what got in the way? What needs to change to make weekly interviewing sustainable?
Team Discussion: As a team, discuss your current interview cadence. If you’re not interviewing at least weekly, name the biggest obstacle—recruiting, time, or synthesis—and commit to reducing one barrier this month.
Try this together: Ask a teammate, “How does a product idea go from concept to launch at our company?” Have them write it down. Then ask for the last specific feature or improvement that launched and capture the story. Compare the two. What’s different? What does this reveal about the gap between ideal process and actual process?
If you already interview regularly, ask: Who participates? Is it just one person (like the designer or product manager), or does the whole trio join? What value might you be missing by not having all three perspectives in the room?
Put It Into Practice
Understanding the “why” is easy; building the habit is the work. The following exercises are how my teams operationalize continuous interviewing week over week.
Exercise: Conduct a Story-Based Interview (Time: 20–30 minutes. Do this with your product trio.) Schedule a conversation with a current customer. Instead of drafting a long script, identify a handful of research questions (what you need to learn) and translate them into one story-based interview question (what you’ll ask).
For example, research questions might include: What challenges do customers face when onboarding? Where do they get stuck? What are we asking them to do that they don’t understand? How can we make it easier for them to get to the activation moment? The corresponding interview question could be: Tell me about the first time you used our product.
During the interview, excavate the story with temporal prompts like “What happened first?”, “What happened next?”, and “What happened before that?” If the participant drifts into generalities (“I usually…” or “In general…”), gently bring them back to the specific instance.
After the interview, debrief as a trio. What did each of you hear? Which opportunities surfaced? What surprised you? If you want personalized, detailed feedback on your technique, consider the Interview Coach available through the Story-Based Customer Interviews course.
Exercise: Create Your First Interview Snapshot (Time: 30 minutes. Do this with your product trio immediately after the interview.) Using the interview snapshot template, capture a photo of the participant (or a visual that represents their story), quick facts about their context, a memorable quote you’ll still recall months from now, the opportunities (needs, pain points, desires) you heard, notable insights that aren’t yet opportunities, and an experience map that illustrates the story. Over time, aim to complete each snapshot in 15–20 minutes.
Go Deeper: Additional Reading
If you prefer audio, I’ve included an audio summary for paid subscribers that covers this month’s chapter plus the resources below.
Related In-Depth Guides: Customer Interviews: How to Recruit, What to Ask, and How to Synthesize What You Learn.
The Value of Continuous Interviewing: Why Product Trios Should Interview Customers Together – How interviewing together ensures research is timely, actionable, and believable.
How to Find Customers to Talk To: Customer Recruiting: Get Easy Access to Customers Week Over Week – Practical strategies for automating your recruiting process. Ask Teresa: How Do You Select Customers for Customer Interviews? – Who to interview and how to recruit them. Tools of the Trade: Finding People to Interview Before You Have Customers – Recruiting strategies for early-stage products.
What to Ask in Your Interviews: Why You Are Asking the Wrong Customer Interview Questions – Understanding the gap between ideal behavior and actual behavior. Story-Based Customer Interviews Uncover Much-Needed Context – Why collecting specific stories is more reliable than asking direct questions. Ask Teresa: What Are the Best Customer Interview Questions? – Common questions and how to improve them. Ask About the Past Rather than the Future – Why memories about recent instances are more reliable than speculation.
How to Take Notes and Synthesize What You Are Learning: How to Take Notes During Customer Research Interviews – Practical tips for capturing what you hear. The Interview Snapshot: How to Synthesize and Share What You Learned from a Single Customer Interview – A comprehensive guide to creating and using interview snapshots. Customer Interview Analysis: How AI Helps and Hurts – Learn how to use AI effectively.
Videos: All Things Product Podcast: Customer Interview Analysis – Petra and I discuss using AI to analyze customer interviews, the risks and benefits, and why your interviewing skills matter more than any AI tool.
Other Resources from Around the Web: The Top 5 Mistakes Product Teams Make With Customer Interviews by Pragmatic Live. Continuous interviewing with Kristian Collin Berge (CEO & Co-founder at UX Signals) by Afonso Franco. How to Make Time for Customer Interviews & Validation by Rich Mironov. Brave UX: An interview with Teresa Torres by Brendan Jarvis.
Related Courses: Customer Recruiting for Continuous Discovery – Get easy access to customers week over week. Story-Based Customer Interviews – Collect reliable feedback from every customer conversation.
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This article is part of the CDH Book Club celebrating the five-year anniversary of Continuous Discovery Habits.
“Is product management dead?” I hear this question at almost every conference hallway chat. After listening to the latest Product Builders – All Things Product Podcast with Teresa Torres & Petra Wille, I’m more convinced than ever: product management isn’t dead—it’s evolving fast, and the leaders will be those who embrace the shift.
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The core take resonated deeply with my day-to-day at HighLevel: product management isn’t dying—“the traditional product trio (PM, design, engineering) is collapsing into something new.” The center of gravity is shifting from swim lanes to outcomes, from rigid handoffs to fluid collaboration, and from role definitions to capabilities that actually ship value.
AI is raising the baseline across the board. That “80/20 shift: AI handles patterns, humans handle hard problems” is real on my teams. With LLMs like “GPT 5.2” and “Opus 4.5,” coding agents such as “Claude Code” and “Codex,” and tools like “Replit” and “Lovable,” we’re compressing cycle time on the repeatable 80%. The bottleneck is no longer typing code or drafting copy—it’s selecting the right problems, crafting sharp product strategy, and making confident trade-offs.
This is why the future belongs to “product builders” — people with a shared foundation across disciplines and deep expertise in one area. I look for teams that can shape, prototype, validate, and iterate in tight loops, blending continuous discovery with empowered product teams. The baseline expands, the craft deepens.
Functional expertise still matters—more than ever—because the hard parts are getting harder. We need leaders who can weigh platform scalability against time-to-value, protect privacy-by-design, apply AI risk management, and navigate data governance while sustaining product-market fit. When AI accelerates execution, judgment becomes the differentiator.
For leaders, this creates a clear mandate: “What product leaders must do to create safe AI infrastructure.” In practice, that means building guardrails early—security reviews tailored to AI workflows, QA harnesses that include eval-driven development, model performance observability, and human-in-the-loop review systems. You can’t bolt this on later without paying a tax in velocity and trust.
Hiring signals are already shifting. “How job descriptions and hiring expectations are already shifting” shows up in my reqs: we emphasize cross-functional range, fluency with AI workflows, prompt engineering literacy, and the ability to frame measurable outcomes. We still want craft depth—design systems, systems thinking in engineering, rigorous discovery—but we prize people who move seamlessly from discovery to delivery.
In the episode, I appreciated the crisp framing of why product management isn’t dying—but changing. The rise of the “product builder” foundation reframes team topology and unlocks smaller, more cross-functional squads. AI changes the baseline skill set across product teams, and ignoring it is a career risk. If you’re not learning AI tools, you’re falling behind.
My key takeaways were straightforward and actionable. Smaller, more cross-functional teams are likely. Deep expertise still matters—especially for complex trade-offs. Leaders need guardrails: security, QA, and review systems built for an AI-driven workflow. And if you work in product, design, or engineering, this episode is your signal to start upskilling now.
“The risk of ignoring AI in your craft” is not hypothetical. I encourage PMs to carve out weekly lab time for hands-on experiments with LLMs for product managers, build lightweight prototypes with Replit or Lovable, and pressure-test opportunity solution trees with data-informed discovery. Pair with your engineers on agentic AI use cases, and integrate model evals into your CI/CD pipelines.
“Mentioned in the episode” were several resources worth exploring: “Product at Heart” (June, Hamburg), “Replit,” “Lovable,” “Every,” “Petra’s Coaching Packages,” and “coding agents (Claude Code, Codex) and LLMs (GPT 5.2, Opus 4.5).” These are great jumping-off points for your own product builder toolkit.
My recommendation: queue up the episode on your commute, then pick one workflow to augment with AI before the week ends. Replace a handoff with a shared canvas. Automate a repetitive analysis. Ship a scrappy prototype. Momentum compounds.
Have thoughts on this episode? Leave a comment below. I’d love to hear how your teams are evolving your product trios, what AI workflows are sticking, and where governance has been most challenging.
What happens when an AI starts giving advice in your voice—advice you’d never actually give? I’ve been thinking a lot about that question, and this conversation hit home for me as a product leader navigating the fast-evolving reality of AI “clones.”
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The episode examines AI “clones” built from podcast transcripts and public content—where the experimentation feels exciting, where it crosses ethical lines, and what happens when mediocre AI outputs get attributed to real people. The tension is real: when a bot confidently answers in your style but misses the nuance, “it’s not me” becomes more than a disclaimer—it’s a reputational defense.
We dig into the messy parts: IP ownership of open-sourced transcripts, the role of pirated books in LLM training sets, rising inference costs, and the uncomfortable economic question: if anyone can prompt “act like Teresa,” how do creators make a living? In my own decision-making, I look for clear consent, guardrails that prevent impersonation, and transparent UX that never confuses a synthetic perspective with a human expert.
This isn’t anti-AI. It’s a nuanced conversation about quality, consent, and remembering there are real humans behind the ideas.
Here’s how I translate the key takeaways into practice. Using AI for perspective is fine—equating it to the real person isn’t. Free-feeling AI outputs still rely on someone’s work. Expertise is more than past content—it’s context, judgment, and evolution. If someone’s work influences you, find a way to support them. These principles help teams benefit from gen ai without eroding trust or the creator ecosystem.
“Technically possible” doesn’t mean “ethically okay.” My AI Strategy playbook includes privacy-by-design, clear data governance on training materials, and a bright line between inspiration and impersonation. When we ship AI features, we label synthetic outputs, avoid mimicking living experts without permission, and create paths to compensate or promote the humans whose thinking underpins the experience.
I’ve also tested the “act like X” pattern to stress-test product quality. Even when outputs sound plausible, they rarely capture the expert’s mental models, trade-offs, or the evolution of their thinking—especially in complex product discovery work. That gap is the difference between average AI text and expert product management leadership.
If you listen, consider a few reflection prompts: Have you ever used AI to “act like” someone you admire? Could you tell whether the output matched that person’s actual thinking? How do you decide what’s ethically okay when using public content in LLMs? And how can we support creators while still embracing new tools?
Have thoughts on this episode or practices that have worked in your org? Share them below—I’m keen to learn how other teams are balancing innovation with integrity.
For years, I’ve watched product, growth, and data teams burn cycles stitching together manual dashboards and reports, then slogging through replay review just to validate a hunch. That overhead slows discovery and delays decisions. The promise here is different: "Discover how Amplitude AI Agents help product, growth, and data teams turn questions into action without manual dashboards, reports, or replay review." As someone obsessed with decision velocity and evidence-based product strategy, that shift is exactly what I’ve been waiting for.
In practice, I think about "Amplitude AI Agents" as always-on data analysts embedded in our workflow. Instead of queuing requests or context-switching into tooling, I can ask targeted questions, get synthesized insights, and move directly to action. This is a powerful example of agentic AI meeting behavioral analytics in a unified analytics platform—removing friction between inquiry and impact while keeping teams focused on outcomes, not artifacts.
What changes for my day-to-day? I can interrogate customer behavior in real time, pressure-test hypotheses from discovery interviews, and quickly understand whether activation, retention, or monetization is the current constraint. If I’m probing a driver tree for activation or a retention analysis for a specific cohort, I can get to a decision faster—without waiting on someone to build a bespoke dashboard. That means more cycles spent shaping product strategy and fewer sunk into report wrangling.
This matters beyond speed. When product, growth, and data leaders anchor discussions in the same source of truth, we shorten the distance from signal to decision. That alignment is the backbone of product-led growth and continuous discovery: shared context, faster feedback loops, and clearer trade-offs. It also reduces the long tail of analytics debt—those one-off reports and stale views that quietly accumulate across teams.
Of course, adopting any AI workflow in analytics demands governance. I hold these systems to the same bar I set for my teams: clarity of assumptions, consistent metric definitions, and auditable reasoning. Pairing "Amplitude analytics" with strong data governance, CI/CD for analytics definitions, and lightweight evals helps ensure the recommendations we act on are reliable, reproducible, and explainable. AI should accelerate our judgment, not replace it.
The strategic shift is simple and profound: move from building dashboards to making decisions. With always-on analysis, we can spend less time instrumenting analytics theater and more time delivering customer value. That is how we translate insights into impact—and why I’m excited to operationalize this capability across our product trios and go-to-market partners.
Inspired by this post on Amplitude – Best Practices.
Great products aren’t just shipped; they’re understood. In my product management practice, the difference between a good release and a great one often comes down to disciplined documentation that moves at the speed of delivery. That’s why the docs-as-code approach has become a cornerstone of how I build, lead, and measure product experiences across teams.
As I reflect on leaders who set a high bar in this craft, one description stands out: "With years of experience as Senior Documentation Manager, Jeff leads teams and oversees the end-to-end creation of documentation using docs-as-code methodology." That concise statement captures a model I deeply respect—one that treats documentation as a first-class citizen in the product lifecycle.
In practice, docs-as-code integrates documentation into CI/CD pipelines, version control, and peer review workflows—exactly how we ship software. This elevates quality, enforces consistency, and accelerates responsiveness to change, all while enabling rigorous content audit and UX writing standards. When documentation evolves with code, it becomes discoverable, testable, and measurable—key traits for scalable product management leadership.
The downstream impact is tangible. Users ramp faster through onboarding, in-app guides, and product tours because the narrative aligns with the product’s true state at any given commit. Support tickets drop, developers work with greater clarity, and PMs gain the feedback loops needed for continuous discovery. In a product-led growth motion, this clarity compounds—reducing time-to-value and enabling teams to ship confidently.
Equally important is the leadership pattern behind the methodology: aligning product, engineering, and customer-facing teams around shared truths. I’ve seen empowered product teams operate at their best when documentation is embedded in planning, sprint reviews, and release gates. This creates a single source of truth that scales knowledge, preserves intent, and shortens the path from decision to delivery.
For me, the standard expressed above isn’t just a role description—it’s a blueprint for operational excellence. When we manage documentation with the same rigor as code, we build trust at every touchpoint and create the conditions for sustained product velocity. That’s the level of clarity and execution I strive to foster across every product line.
Inspired by this post on Amplitude – Perspectives.
